Clues for the Clueless?

Updated March 11, 2000

*SIGH* -- They just don't GET it....

From: "Christopher Tran" <chtran@one.net.au>
Subject: Heartless bitch - another lesbian site
Date sent: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:50:38 +1100

I can't believe I stumbled across this site. All these women who come together and fight the evils of man - by making fun of their penis size, penis name or IQ.

It's basically another site for those bloody lesbians who want to hate men for what they are. Nothing else. Its formed by women who, for a start don't shave their armpits or legs, can't get a root (because no guy in their right mind will touch them), and can't admit that they are homosexual. They have to lash out on the better society, ie 'Men' and 'georgeous chicks', as they are just plainly jealous of the fact that Men are so much better and gorgeous chicks are better looking than them. DEAL with your insecurities, STOP lashing out on society, and face facts - "YOU'RE ALL DYKES"

From,
A very proud, MAN.

Date sent: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:07:02 PST
From: Jason
Subject: Re:

I have no idea why I am even bothering to write this. Its not like this is a debate or that you're even open to seeing the various and glaring flaws in your choosen paradigm.

[You can spell and use paradigm, but not chosen? Irony abounds...]

So why bother? I am stupid, I admit it.

[You do not appear to be stupid, however you do appear to be willfully ignorant - at least of reading for content, and context.]

I can not possibly compete with a league of sapho dripping femme's de intelligentsia. Diana's raving Ubermenschlein.

[Ahhh the back-handed compliment, the sarcastic, "I'm not as smart as you are, but you are irrational..." hence the use of the adjective "raving".]

My question is largely why bother hating men?

[Another question born out of willful ignorance, clearly identifying your complete lack of comprehension. I don't hate them. Neither does the vast majority of readers and members of HBI. You missed the point. Or didn't read deeply enough. Or you are projecting. Which is it?]

Why bother with them at all?

[A better question might be why bother with people at all? But we'll stick to your question.

Let's try some obvious answers:
Because they make up half the human race?
Because biology being what it is, the majority of women find
themselves inextricably drawn to men for sexual pleasure?
Because while science has proved cloning is possible, it still
isn't a viable/accessible means of reproduction as yet?
Because we are socialized to?
Because men are people and we are social creatures?]

Men are entirely worthless to women, wimmin, womyn, wymyn (whichever you may prefer).

[ Women. Women aren't any better than men - 50% are above average and 50% are below. I prefer not to judge a person based on their gender - any more than I judge a person based on race, religion, or sexual orientation. It is the person's behavior and actions that matter.]

So why promote the hatred of men?

[Funny, a serious percentage of men who come to HBI do not see it as promoting hatred of men - they see it as an intolerance of idiocy - male and female, and a railing against current social gender roles for women and men.]

You may claim that you site is not a promotion of derision toward males. Your intentions are irrelevant to the actual cause.

[You mean "effect". And I would say the negative "effect" is directly proportional to the self-awareness of the individual reader and their sensitivity to us "pressing" buttons too close to home.

A significant majority of the readership do not share your perspective.]

I personally could care less but I also digress.

[Don't you mean "couldn't care less"? Or can you care less than you already do? Apparently so, or you wouldn't have written. Ergo, you must still care somewhat.]

Instead of focusing efforts on pointing out the myriad deficiencies in Men why not simply promote Lesbianism?

[Yeah, yeah, yeah. The site does not focus on pointing out the "myriad deficiencies in men" - it highlights and pokes fun at socialized gender roles and expectations of "appropriate" female behavior. Some articles talk about men, some about women. Some highlight social stereotypes in the male gender - some in the female. Given that we still don't have true equality in the home or the workplace, the balance is still skewed towards male attitudes and behaviors, but HBI does not focus exclusively on bad behavior by men.

I don't think ghettoizing and segregating the genders is going to solve any of the current problems, do you?

Besides, even lesbians have to deal with the idiots of this world.]

There is nothing a Man can provide that two woman can not replicate (and do it better).

[I think that men are people, just like women are people. Some people are better at providing things (sex, companionship, labour, creativity, etc.) than others.

To say that women are better than men objectifies them and robs them of their humanity. A better question to ask yourself might be, "why do you resent women so much?"]

It is unfortunate that the reverse is not true, while some Men are perfectly happy in homosexual relationships, for the majority, a vagina is just far superior to a male anus or oral and until scientists can replicate it to moderate satisfaction the majority of men will continue to crave live, breathing vagina.

[And hairy chests, butts and faces, different pheromones, the ability to bear offspring, and lack of breasts has NOTHING to do with the reason that most men aren't homosexual? (if sex was ALL they were after in a woman) PuhLEEZE...

What you are saying is that women are only important to men (i.e. you) because they have vaginas? This would appear to belie a deep-seated resentment of women (and fits hand-in-hand with your earlier objectification). ]

So. Why not promote Lesbianism? I'm sure some of your members already are. But the rest? Yourself? I see no reason to bother with men at all.

I am generally interested and would be eager to read a reply.

[If you really want answers, I'd say it's time to stop projecting, and look a little closer to home.

Or maybe you just want a lesbian utopia in the hopes that they might let you watch...]

From: "Kevin Boaz" <SirDirk@worldnet.att.net>
Date sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:14:09 -0500

Sounds like someone who's been scorned and is using this as an excuse to justify their loneliness and all the spare time they have noone to share with. :-). But we all have earned our right to their opinions so good luck in the future.

From: (someloser)@aol.com
Date sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:42:52 EST
Subject: (no subject)

MALE SLAVE NEEDS BRUTAL MISTRESS,FOR TOTAL TORTURE,HUMILIATION, AND FORCED FOOT AND ASS WORSHIP.

[Boy, did YOU ever get the wrong number...]

From: "cale crowder" <crowdercale@hotmail.com>
To: <rant@heartless-bitches.com>
Date sent: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:30:51 -0800

Hey Yo, Natalie, not ten minutes ago I sent you an E-Mail written in impact type, so you'll know who this is, You don't have the guts to add what I wrote to you to your website and if you do, I'll give you my REAL E-MAIL TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO REBUT! Eaglestar@homestead.com...Ground rules are: Be straight up, NOT your usual defensive sarcasm, otherwise than that what you have to say will be utterly useless.

To: "cale crowder" <crowdercale@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Your Shitty Attitude
Date sent: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:46:48 -0600

> OK, I've been to your site and found it pretty damned interesting, but
> let me lay this on you, I spent 4yrs, 9months as a POW in North Vietnam,
> GODDAMN SURE DIDN'T see any of you whiny assed, bad attitude, mealy
> mouthed bitches there when I was being beaten, tortured, starved and
> caged up like a goddamn animal. From my point of view, you need to shut
> your fucking mouths, adjust your attitudes, OR stick a goddamn gun to
> your heads, pull the fucking trigger and spatter the fucking wallpaper
> with your less than useless brain cells and dog piss thin blood. Bottom
> line here is, NOT ONE GODDMAN ONE of you could have survived what myself
> and a whole lot of my brothers survived, so you think you have a right
> to bitch?

Aside from the fact that you completely and utterly missed the point of the site, there are women out there who have survived the kinds of things that have happened to you and worse. Yes, you went through hell. But 80% of the victims of war are women and children.Society and the world at large just don't recognize them as war veterans and heros.

Were you held down by your family members while your penis was cut off with a stone and then the severed part stitched back up with a common needle and thread or worse? Were you permanently and deliberately incapacitated so that you will NEVER enjoy sex? Were you sold into slavery for the rest of your life? Burned alive because your family didn't pay enough money to your spouse's family? Forced to marry your rapist who was 30 years older than you because he raped you when you were 10 and it caused your family shame? Do I have to experience it personally in order to speak out against a society that allows that sort of thing to happen? No. Do I have a right to speak out against anything that treats women as objects because what is just an attitude today can become and action tomorrow? Hell yes.

And I don't personally have to survive a war to have a right to speak my mind, rail at injustice, laugh at stupid gender roles and try to stir up change and controversy where I (or others) see inequity. Some people just can't stand being challenged to THINK about their choices and behavior.

Your experiences don't invalidate mine or anyone else's. And they don't give you the right to demand anything from me or anyone else.

> ...WRONG! Until you survive what we
> survived shut the fuck up,adjust your shitty attitudes or punch your own
> fucking ticket if you're so fucking miserable!

Get over yourself. I am not miserable, and nor are most members of HBI. You do NOT dictate to me, or anyone else what we can or cannot say or do. Your inability to see beyond your own issues is YOUR problem, not mine.

And I don't play by the "rules" of any blowhard off the internet with a personal axe to grind.

From: "Terri S. Glasok" <terrisue@mindspring.com>
Subject: What a bunch of crap...............................

Theres one thing for sure,. You do have the answer for the worlds population problems. No pussy, no kids. I think your right. Why waste your time with a bunch of weak American males, when you can move to the middle east, south America, Europe, Asia, or any where else you wish to mention and have men treat you like cattle.You are right. American men have forfited their right to lead.

Just think, if your mothers were as smart as you are you wouldn't have to put up with AAAAAGGGGHHHH, MEN..............You would have been spent in your father's hand. You are only here because a woman and a man cared more about you than themselves. Believe me when I tell you " This too shall pass ".

Love and Piggish kisses,

mitch@blackvault.com

From: "Brian"
Subject: HMMMM
Date sent: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:02:38 PST

Hello,

I read some of the stuff on your page and cannot help but feel a little troubled. Of course, I know that everyone who disagrees with you automatically gets put into the "doesn't have a brain catagory". Right?

[Wrong. Only the ones who totally missed the point do.]

I know, I know I'm just a dumb male. RIGHT?

[You set your own standards.]

You already know everything there is to know about me because I have a Y chromosome. I can tell you that I do not hate women because my grandmother was an alcoholic and treated me like shit when I was a child. I do not hate women because of all the ones that broke my heart. I'm not exactly sure what your purpose it? It could be just a "male-bashing page", or a "I am woman hear me roar page". Whatever the purpose it does not matter. I just have one word, and it may or may not have any meaning to you: STEREOTYPE.

[ And I just have one word for you: "surgery" - I suggest you get it to have stick removed from your butt. Perhaps it will help you get over your humor-impairment.]

Well if it doesn't have any meaning, let me explain it to you. When you judge every member of a race, ethnic group, or yes, even SEX by the actions of a few. Actually, I would love to hear from you to hear more of where you are coming from. I would like you to tell me about your background. Please feel free to e-mail me back. Please do not put me on the "STUPID" page simply because I happen to share a different opinion.

[You are on the clueless page because you demonstrated a complete inability to get the point - not because your opinion differs, a subtle point, which I suspect may elude your comprehension.]

-Someone who will listen
[-Someone who isn't interested. "Heartless". Get it?]

From: "arthur brian" <flembosis@hotmail.com>
Subject: where to now?
Date sent: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:55:49 GMT

It's so easy for you to be who you are, isn't it. Actually I'd say it's taken no effort at all for you to be what you are. Congratulations. See, that's the clever trick that you and others haven't realised - the only successful way through takes a lot of effort, a process that is more painful, (love and forgiveness, basically) than the pain that you have let build up inside which has obviously taken no effort to cultivate into bitterness. It IS the only way through - bummer, hay??!! But sorry, that's just the way it is. One day when it's too late and you are on your knees in humility you'll wish you had dealt with it 'cause you ain't seen nothin' yet.

From: Self <supremebitch@heartless-bitches.com>
To: "tanpm"
Subject: Re: hi
Date sent: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:14:25 -0600


> Hi, I am a guy. and just happen to stumble upon this website.

I am a woman. And I just happen to run this website.

> This website you have at first glanc may seem pretty extreme, bu as I read
> more about this website I discover that maybe the intention for the website
> for any woman to start this is some guy in their past, some guy that they
> felt "he's is the one" the one that made you think that you two were meant
> for each other, and you really think about him all day long and imagine him
> being with you in all sorts of fun places whenever he is not with you, and
> when he is with you, you two can talk about almost everything, where all
> guards are gone, and when you are with him you just feel extremely happy and
> attracted to him, and when you talk to him, it is as if he understands what
> you are gonna say to the point that even before you utter the words, he
> already understands what you are gonna say, and this is the time when you
> feel really connected to him.. as if there is this timeless bond between you
> and this person, as if he's known you forever..to a point that you convinced
> yourself that he is all I need, oh god all I want is him, nothing else matters..


oh, *GAG* me already... yech.

Where did you get this crap? From a harlequin romance?

> well to a point he BROKE YOUr heart. I can sympasize with that..

Pal, the only *point* you have a hope of successfully grasping is the one on your head. You couldn't be further from the truth if you were yelling it from the highest mountain top in Antarctica.

*You* may have co-dependent fantasies about love and relationships, but don't project them on me.

HBI was NOT created because I am lovelorn, a man-hater, or a fat, ugly lesbian. The clue phone is ringing. Even if you could figure out how to answer it, would you understand the message?
(That was a rhetorical question, btw.)

heartlessly laughing AT you,
-Natalie

From: "A/ C"
Subject: Bitch is right
Date sent: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:49:11 GMT

I stumbled across you site this morning and I must say, I'm going to take the time to e-mail you and then try to make sure I never fall into this stain in cyber space again. Just because you have been burnt in relationships before, or you are a social reject, or you where beat as a child, or whatever your problem is, is no reason to waste space on a server somewhere with this crap. Go ahead post this, feel free to add any grammatical or spelling errors if it will make you feel better about yourself.

ciao bitch
from a normal well adjusted human unlike yourself.

From: (john m)
Date sent: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:17:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: vermont,u.s.a.

can you help me find a dominant woman in vermont u.s.a.? i'm 36yrs,attractive,college edu. 5'7 , .

From: LUKE FLETCHER <runtfletch@start.com.au>
Date sent: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:45:39 +1100
Subject: To the bitch with out a cause (or male hater)

You sorry sack of shit. I bet you are an ugly chick who couldn't get laid if you were paying for it!! The reason why you don't like any normal guy is because you think you are too good for them when in actual fact you aren't good enough for a leper with no dick. GET A LIFE (or at least try) AND FUCK OFF..
LUKE

Date sent: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:30:59 +1100
From: Peter <pgb@spitfire.com.au>
Subject: the subject

its called....
PENIS ENVY
everybody wants one
but only some of us have them....
maybe in the next lifetime
when you find out ....:)

From: <supremebitch@heartless-bitches.com>
To: Donny Deal <ddeal10@scu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: hey there
Date sent: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:05:23 -0600

> Umm...hello I guess...
> I'm not really sure how to approach this so I figure the only way to do
> it is to go full speed ahead and front on. What I'm trying to say is
> that you seem to be mad at other people's looks.

No. I think you are reading your own insecurities into articles posted on this site. What I don't like is pretty facades with no substance.

> But what you fail to see is that each and everyone has there different
> views on who is a 'hunk' and to tell the truth I don't see how you can
> speak for the majority of people out there.

I don't try to. An article is an opinion expressed by an individual.

> And another thing is what
> qualifies a person as being a hunk? There looks...there
> personality...there smile...what, really what qualifies a person as a
> hunk or babe? People are richly diverse in there taste...and as a whole
> we humans tend to be picky in our choices. We each have our dilikes and
> seriously if you like something you tend to want it don't you? So if a
> guy sees a girl that she likes and wants her or vice versa you tend not
> to give up easily...and when we do see that we aren't getting what we
> want we tend to get angry or upset...now since a man is more
> testosterone we tend to show anger whereas women are well more girlish
> in nature they tend to have a cry or something of the like...these are
> the way that we have been 'programmed' to respond to these actions.

Oh spare me the "It's in my nature" crap. It sounds like you are trying to justify acting out on your anger or stalking someone because you are interested and they aren't responding the way you want them to. That kind of rationalization is just plain creepy.

Besides - your last statements had nothing to do with the assertions in the article.
> And another thing...how do you figure that the incredible
> men have low iq's around room temperature...do you test them for there
> iq's...huh...


All they have to do is open their mouths and their intelligence level (or lack thereof) is self-evident. The content of the e-mail, some self-appointed "good looking" men send, is a pretty good indicator too.

> and if you did was it only because you thought they there was
> a chance that you might like them...bzzz...wrong it was because you
> looked, liked what you saw and then realized that you made a mistake...


Are you this clueless by nature, or do you have to work at it? You can talk to people and be social without being "interested" in them in any sexual/relationship way, can't you? Or are you one of those types that can't see the opposite sex as anything BUT a sexual opportunity? Do you never get introduced to people at parties, or meet new co-workers or classmates as part of your daily interactions?

In the author's experience, very very few very good-looking men (or women) have interesting personalities and/or intellect. This is the author's experience. While "attraction" is largely subjective and highly individualistic, there are societal and cultural definitions of physically "good looking" which are generally understood and accepted - the fashion industry thrives on it.

Any time someone objects to the article about good-looking men with no personalities, I find that they generally identify a little too strongly with the object of the article - and none, as yet, have written anything intelligent or eloquent enough to convince me otherwise - yourself included.

heartlessly,
-Natalie

Date sent: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 05:02:06 +0100
From: alois binder <amb@bgg-entertainment.com>
To: SupremeBitch@heartless-bitches.com
Subject: (no subject)

could it be you're all just sexually frustrated? [No.]
sigmund freud would have been very pleased to have you
on his couch

From: "John W Hadd" <jwhadd@centurytel.net>
Subject: Fan Mail
Date sent: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:35:18 -0400

I didn't read your web page. Actually, I scanned through rather disinterested. My point here is you suck. I know that alot of people use that term and it is rather cliche'. But I really mean it. Kind of like when someone says "your ignorant" and they mean stupid. No, I mean you suck. Thanks for your time. P.S. I know you just want a large phalic type object and it's not your fault. John

From: "mark lewis" <mark@glentoran71.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Prepare for warn heasrt breaker -
Date sent: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:03:42 +0100

Your site has simply boosted the newest organisation on the web..."ABL" Anti Bitch League, us beer swilling , 20- a-day lads have decided that we need a voice, a deep voice at that, one that will express the opinions of us guys and stick together. The fact of the matter is , that the reason for you making the site is probably due to some hatred of men , did your super hard bitch heart get broken, are you a dike, did your daddy have your poochy in his mouth?? or maybe your just ugly (or all of the above").

[Ok. I think you've covered every cliched "reason" for the existence of HBI that lamers come up with... No. Wait, you forgot "FAT". Mr. Original, you are not. *YAWN*]

It is time for you to realise that women are treated equally, there is as many dickhead females as there is males. Females are the more attractive of the two and can be admired but not spoken to.

THE ABU. IS IN TOWN...EQUAL RIGHTS FOR MEN..WEre GONA BURN OUR BOXERS.

Lastly but not least, This email is probably a load of shit, possibly because your site was so badly organised I could not of been arsed shifting through the crap,, secondly is because im am very very stoned.

Oh well its OK Im a man...

[lovely]

Many Thanks darling

Mark

From: PLYN2@aol.com
Date sent: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:53:42 EDT
Subject: (no subject)


hi . we will call me male. [We will?] i can understand your anger.i have lots of respect for your will to creat a website based on a belief. i think,and correct me if im wrong,you believe that you could be as smart as a male. man has a job to do .back down before you get a shortage of tam-pax. you cannot win. its just IMPOSSIBLE. with his own rib Adam created Eave. [With his own rib, Adam created a gutter for the roof? Wow. That's a chapter in the bible I must have missed...]

From: BLaQDeViL@aol.com
Date sent: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:36:14 EDT
Subject: lol

lol you all need a life... bunch of dumb bitches is more like it

[why did he even bother?]

From: AgentJET6@aol.com
Date sent: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:22:09 EST
Subject: hello from the heart

i think women just need to be touch and thought of daily.......i aqm grendal 449 and i want a good women that loves to be
loved...............................grendal449

From: root <ramin@eunet.at>
Subject: your site
Date sent: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:34:21 +0100

hi. fine site. had a lot of fun reading it.

detest all the stuff you describe there, all those dilbertesque creatures one meets at work, who live in a permanent soap opera live for putting stucco on their piples so the guy next office will care about them ...

anyway, i'm not a girl, so:

is any of your heartless bitch friends available ? [No.]

uh, yeah. flame me, roast me or whatever for hitting ya, but, put me in contach with one of yer very judicious friends who has hopefully had more to her life than fucking herself thru 10 years of marriage and other senseless shit like that.

btw. i live in austria, not in the states.

so. go ahead and make my day (yeah, roast me)
[As you wish...]

From: "Ian Edwards" <ian.edwards@stud.man.ac.uk>
Subject: Listen up
Date sent: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 02:37:44 -0000

So you don't hate men, could have fooled me. Oh and by the way for something to be ironic one must understand the concept first... quite blatantly the person that wrote the drivel on these pages does not.
[The person that wrote the drivel in this email is clearly concept-challenged.]

Do not get me wrong if someone wants to express their opinions on the stonger sex..sorry don't believe that but couldn't not add it, no seriously all for free speach but please try not to take yourselves to seriously.
[the only people taking us too seriously are people like you]

regards

non-stereotype
[you could have fooled me...]

p.s my iq is above room temperature :-)
[must be a cold room]

From: RobertMS@webtv.net (Robert Simon)
Date sent: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:05:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: You are correct (about two times)

Your list contains about 2 items that made sense, the rest was typical leftist, feminist nonsense.

Date sent: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:09:33 -0600
From: Matt Patera <patera@aero.und.edu>
Subject: hi there.

i bet you are the lonliest woman in the world. :)

[oh, if I could only get the money from all those bets...]

love,
a handsome man

From: "Chgowolf86" <Chgowolf86@hotmail.com>
Subject: What the hell ?
Date sent: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:39:56 -0800

Might I ask what the fuck is wrong with you ? U are the fucking morons who give women a bad name. U are the ones who held women back for so long, just because you give men no good reason to show any respect for you. Dont you understand ? YOU FUCKING IDIOTS ARE THE REASON MEN DONT RESPECT WOMEN !!!!!!

[And guys like you are the proof in the pudding.]

From: "Rob" <rob@primasys.com>
Subject: any bitches in houston?
Date sent: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:05:30 -0700

Hi.. Love your website. Would there happen to be any of you bitches in the Houston area looking for a good fuck?... let me know.. thanks
rob@primasys.com

From: Pigdope@aol.com
Date sent: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:57:02 EDT
Subject: Your Site Sucks

The Problem Is Its no Fun reading all your man hating bullshit Plus your art sucks I found your site by looking for shit thats supposed to be cool . Instead its just shit! A cool site to me is snarg.net or ween.com or artbell or empathy or Your friend, pigdope

[what an appropriate moniker]

From: Mattcapri@aol.com
Date sent: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:46:18 EDT
Subject: hey babe

Frankly I sympathize.
I have not had sex since 1991, nor have I had a second date since then.
[wah. fuckin' wah.]
I will never buy flowers for a non-corpse again ever. Dont tell me I dont get it, because I do. [no, you don't. Clearly - as stated in your previous sentence.]
In the interest of politeness I will close this missive thusly: fuck you too matt
[But matt, you just stated you haven't been fucked...]

From: HAVLIKNEXTTV@aol.com
Date sent: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:10:20 EDT
Subject: Looking For Bitchy Behavior Caught On Tape

I work for a television production company in LA. We are producing a primetime television show for Fox appealing to the female demographic. I am looking to license footage of women being bitches. Please give me a call if this is footage you have or can get.

Cheers,

Mike

[Boy, did THIS guy ever get the wrong number. I think you are looking for heartlessbitch.com]

From: Peter (last name and address removed)
Subject: Timetables
Date sent: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:46:41 -0700

This web page contains the type of sadistic, dark humor that I have come to appreciate over the past 24 years. But one can only read so much of this gunk before he begins to think that most of these articles are written by insecure, beat up, used and abused, and utterly destroyed women that have been involved with some asshole. Now, these women are on their soapboxes, proclaiming to all that will listen, the same nonsense that they put up with for all those years. Let me just say one thing to all the poor women that have been in abusive relationships: GET OVER IT! It happens to guys too, so suck it up and move on. To all the authors of these articles yipping about how they don't need men in their life: Good! We don't want to associate with your kind anyway. No, I'm not talking about the (rare) independent woman who can stand on her own two feet. I'm talking about male-bashing femmenazi's who rant and rave, and then go home and cry themselves to sleep. Ever wonder why you can't meet a quality guy? Take a look in the mirror.... -PVA

[some people can't read for content - they simply extract what they want to see and use it for their own brand of self-justification.]

From: "Craig Howard" <craighoward@mindspring.com>
Subject: hi there
Date sent: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:44:28 -0400

Hi-

Love your web page. I'd like to share some thoughts with you.

Most of my married male friends work 50-60 hours a week, while their wives sit at home and watch TV. What's ironic about this is the fact that many of the TV shows they watch are about how men are such assholes...

As a 34-year-old hetro male who has never married and never will, I am simply amazed at the large quantity of otherwise intelligent, educated women who fully expect me to work two jobs so they can live a life of leisure. And you think that women are the ones being taken advantage of?

[Cry me a river. If you date gold-diggers, that's YOUR problem. True Heartless Bitches don't want nor expect to live off someone else's income.]

I sincerely hope that all of you have stocked up on batteries for your vibrators, because your chances of marriage are about HALF of what it was for your mothers, and your chances of ever getting laid again are dropping by the day.

[*rotfl* Keep telling yourself this, if it makes you feel better and more valuable. The fatal flaw in this whole assumption is that I, or anyone else would *want* to get married. Why is it that you state you will NEVER get married in the opening of your letter, and yet somehow use the threat of lack of marriage for a woman as a "bad thing"?]

What man in his right mind would want to put his Most Prized Possession into a fortyish, shrieking, castrating harpy when he can spend the evening with a beautiful, charming, and pleasant woman 12 years younger than he?

[What woman in her right mind would want to have some self-important 34-yr-old *tool*, who ranks his penis as his most important attribute, anywhere near her? I guess in your dictionary pleasant=brainless and charming=pliant]

You women on this website have obviously been burned once too often.

[yeah. yeah. yeah. spare me the wrong-headed analysis.]

There are some real asshole guys out there,

[this letter being proof of that]

but you are obviously trying to outdo them. You're going to be lonely old women, and I feel sorry for you.

[Funny, loneliness isn't something I suffer from, and I don't feel any pity for lame, self-righteous guys like you...]

Craig

Date sent: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:34:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Meloncholy Man <swing_dadie@yahoo.com>
Subject: Nice Guys Finish Last.

[Brace yourselves...]

I got one for ya. OK heres the spiel, one of my good friends cousin is this really hot chic, we'll call her estrogen poisened sack from here on out to be refereed to as EFS. To protect the not so innocent right? Anyways, shes hott, I went on a first date with her, it went good, talked food, no silence, I paid for everything as usual, im ver chivalrous, I made her laugh as usual. Dropped her off, and everything was cool. We went shopping two days later, I paid for dinner etc.... she invited me to this banquet thing with her work. IM like hell yes IM in. She tried on dresses for me at boston store. Wow. Damn. Holy Shit. Shes hott. I told her she was beautiful in all of them blah blah sweet stuff dont need to get into it. We went to my house, watched Matrix, I was like " sure you wanna watch that?" she did, Im like cool, shes got taste too ;) So towards the end she was in my arms. At this point I am like ROCK!!!!! I had a birthday party two days from that, she came at like 10:30 or so, it was great, for like 10 minutes, and then like a brick in the face she became unresponsive. So I pretty much got bummed out, and went and laid on the floor with the guys. The next day she emails me and tells me she just wants to be friends. WHAT THE FUCK?????!?!??!? heres an excerpt:

Hey alright well, I don't know if I should be doing
thsi in a letter or not-or if I should be telling you
over the phone........but anyways, I don't like you as
anything more than a friend- I don't know what is
wrong with me cause you are really cool.....but I
can't help it. I don't know why, but I can't make
myself like you......and I still want to hang out with
you of course- I know we will have a great time at the
Christmas party- if you aren't mad at me and still
want to go.......

ok great, something that couldve been brought to my attention YESTERDAY!!!! what the fuck was I supposed to do? I dont get it!!! OK so then I wrote her back this:

Of course you cant MAKE yourself like anyone lol. Yes actually I do wish you woulda just told me over the phone YESTERDAY ;) But whatever. Of course I'll go with you to the Christmas party, thats totally cool. BUT if you find some guy you really like, I want you to take him ok? OK? ok. And why on earth would I be mad atcha. I havent known ya that long enough so its not a blow to my heart, just my pride, but hey, Im sure there are more guys in the world that get the " Lets Just Be Friends." Thing ;) But Im sure there are less. Just like, give me a second or two to adjust, cuz obviously I like you so yeah, just give me a sec to look past your beauty and great personality, and see ya as a buddy ;) You can do that for me right? I hope so. Im really sorry if I made you uncomfortable at the party. I had a feelin I was, thats why I left ya and went on the floor. My bad; I just didnt know what to think at the time. Hmmm...so yeah, there has to be SOMETHING. I mean comon, did I like, I dunno, burp funny? ;) I guess I'll talk to you later, I don't REALLY want to talk to you on the phone today... you know, the whole awkwardness thing. Like I said, just give me a sec...

i was trying one last effort. she called me, and pretended NOTHING was wrong, normal conversation. All happy. I was so confused. And then we hung up. Later we came online and I basically confronted her with the whole thing. She said she wanted to talk about it on the phone not online. OK fine. WHAT THE FUCK I DONT GET IT! OS here I sit now wondering what the fuck is going on.Im sweet, nice, intelligent, artistic, I write poetry and I play the guitar. I'm chivalrous, I work out regularly and am not a bad looking guy. Do I have a disease that only women can detect? I calculated out my percentage of getting chics. I am 10% TEN FUCKING PERCENT! Women. Fuckin Estrogen Poisoned Sacs. I guess I shouldnt trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesnt die. I hate women. I love their bodies. Thier brains and hearts are worthless to me. EFS is now on my shitlist. SHe better f'in call me tomorrow. w/b or hey post this somewhere on your site. -Swing Daddy

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From: <supremebitch@heartless-bitches.com>
To: Meloncholy Man <swing_dadie@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Nice Guys Finish Last.
Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:08:52 -0600

> WHAT THE FUCK I DONT GET IT!

I'd say that's the major problem right there.

> OS here I sit
> now wondering what the fuck is going on.Im sweet, nice, intelligent,
> artistic, I write poetry and I play the guitar. I'm chivalrous, I work
> out regularly and am not a bad looking guy.

Literally faultless, except for the rose-colored mirror, ( and, of course, the whine in your voice, the poor-me attitude, and the reek of pathos.)

> Do I have a disease

yeah, it's called misogyny.

> that only women can detect? I calculated out my percentage of getting
> chics. I am 10% TEN FUCKING PERCENT!

And the only common denominator in this whole equation: You.

Why is it that people who have REPEATED problems with opposite sex NEVER look at their own behavior? They always rate themselves as flawless and wonderful...

I'll bet women in the past have *tried* to tell you what was wrong with your behavior and you have selective hearing with respect to their comments. Maybe you come across as so needy and pathetic that they don't tell you the truth because they don't want to hurt your feelings....
(queue violins now).

> Women. Fuckin Estrogen Poisoned Sacs. I guess I
> shouldnt trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesnt die. I hate
> women. I love their bodies. Thier brains and hearts are worthless to me.

Great. What a whiny, pathetic excuse for a set of XY chromosomes you are! Blame everybody else, hell, blame an entire gender because YOU are a fuckup. Hell, it can't be *your* behavior that has anything to do with why women drop you like a hot potato! Nooooooo.

I have a suggestion. Grow up and get off the self-pity pot. By this stage in your life you should be toilet trained and weaned.

If your email is any indication, I'd say that your needy, pathetic, clinging behavior and hatred of women is read loud and clear by potential partners. No wonder they dump you on your ass.

You can continue blaming other people for your problems, or you can get your shit together. Oh, and it might help if you picked potential partners for reasons a little deeper than "she's hot"... either that or don't whine when the pool ain't too deep when you dive in.

> SHe better f'in call me tomorrow. w/b

Do me a favour? Hold your breath while you wait....

heartlessly,
-Natalie

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Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:24:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Meloncholy Man <swing_dadie@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Nice Guys Finish Last.

Maybe the problem is women like you, uncompassionate, HEARTLESS, bitches.

[Wow. The clue phone rang... but he didn't get the message. We're not the problem - we're the SOLUTION. ]

Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:21:56 +1100
From: Ron Bower 
Subject: your web pages

weird.......sick.....obviously nothing better to do

Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:14:05 -0400
From: frank 
Subject: too bad I wasted so much time



Congratulations on promoting all this negative
energy. Sure men can be assholes. So can women.
QED.



From: mike 
Subject: hi

I like your web page. I saw your picture and I think you're real sexy.

I also saw your page about heartless bitches. I thought it was funny.  
Women can be such ball-busters!  Is Lorena Bobbitt a member?


Subject: A Trip
Return-Path: barclay@mindspring.com

Nat:

You are a trip--but you don't need me to say so. I came across your page 
and enjoyed the words and pics. 

You can meet me at http://www.mindspring.com/~barclay but people are 
telling me that the pics are awful. I don't think so...but my vote 
doesn't count.

Have a look and write me back if you'd like. 

Nice (virtually) meeting you...

Barclay



From: "John C. Gunn" 
Subject: Clueless in Cyberspace

All right, I will stand before you, a sensitive new age guy (aka SNAG) 
and ask the dumb question, Is it possible for an otherwise responsible, 
attentive, ego-stable male, to exist in your reality ???.

I look forward to all considered reponses.  

JG

[  Yes, it is John, I live with one...]

From: ED11427@gnn.com

you can wear the pants and I'll wear an apron.   Love Ed


From: Charlie Heffelfinger 
Subject: admitted male requesting membership to HBI

I have documented proof from several of my female friends that I am a 
weenie. Unfortunately I am astonishingly cute and witty and lack 
seriousness of any kind. I need proof that I can be serious and bitter 
since I go to the school that has been publicly associated with the riot 
grrrl movement. Although no female friends of mine would consider me as 
relationship material, they do go so far as to hang out with me. Is there 
any hope, please help. Kill me if necessary. I can be mean, really, I can 
learn.     
                    weenie,

                     Charlie

[ Some people shouldn't leave their workstations unattended...]


From: Andy Harwood 
Subject: May I Inquire?

Uh, I'm a man but sometimes I feel out-of-place within my gender. I 
often think of myself as a Lesbian female trapped in a man's body! Am I 
allowed to be a member of Heartless Bitches? Oh, please say yes. I can 
be a real bitch when I want to, I swear! 

[Oh god, not another "lesbian in a man's body" *groan*...]

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